A point of view
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kippurbirdA matter of view
Recently I was told that I was brave for writing in third person as opposed to first person POV because it was much harder for them to do third person. Most of my work has been in third person limited, with only a few pieces being in first person because I find it harder to write in first person.
For starters the biggest problem I have is that I don't know who the protagonist is speaking to. Obviously they're speaking to someone otherwise they wouldn't be using the "I" pronoun. If they're speaking to someone they know then it's sort of silly all the things they have to explain that the 'reader' doesn't know. It's a sort of "As you know Bob" for me. Especially when they use descriptions to describe people. It can get a bit flowery sometimes. Usually when talking to someone you don't give a full body description of a person you mention.
If I am going to say something about my brother in conversation to someone whose never heard of him I would still say, "My brother, name, did such and such" as opposed to "My brother, name, who though younger than I am, is a good four inches taller causing many people to mistake him for being the elder of us. He's got the tight curly hair that would poof out into an cotton ball as opposed to falling straight if he were to grow it long and gray blue eyes. He did such and such." It just feels awkward to me to write.
Never mind trying to get the protagonist's name into the story in a smooth manner. Again since the protagonist is supposedly talking to someone, the someone should already know their name so they wouldn't introduce themselves. In fact it's entirely possible that the entire story could be told without the reader ever knowing the protagonist's name. Usually, this is rectified by someone else calling them by their name or them talking about their name. But who actually talks about their name in real life? Unless they're a complete egotist.
That's another thing that bothers me about first person povs, it makes the speaker sound rather egotistical in that they are assuming that the listener wants to know every detail about their lives. They're just that interesting.
And then I just realized that I'm rambling on here in first person, using 'I' like they're pennies. But then again, I'm giving an opinion piece. This is all my lovely personal opinion. It's getting filtered though my own personal bias. Which is also true about first person narrators. It gives you an excellent opportunity for unreliable narrators.
But, I don't really like them. If I'm being told a story, I want to be able to trust that it's true otherwise it just feels fake (duh). Almost like a 'it was all a dream' endings. Of course we can't always know that it's an unreliable narrator.
With third person however, it feels more natural to me to add in such things as what a person looks like because it's like telling a story. You're painting pictures. You're giving a report of what is in reality. You're not expecting the reader to know things because they're not part of the world. You're making it up, you're not holding a conversation.
I actually had a lot more to say on this, but my brain went blank in the intervening days since I got back to it.
Recently I was told that I was brave for writing in third person as opposed to first person POV because it was much harder for them to do third person. Most of my work has been in third person limited, with only a few pieces being in first person because I find it harder to write in first person.
For starters the biggest problem I have is that I don't know who the protagonist is speaking to. Obviously they're speaking to someone otherwise they wouldn't be using the "I" pronoun. If they're speaking to someone they know then it's sort of silly all the things they have to explain that the 'reader' doesn't know. It's a sort of "As you know Bob" for me. Especially when they use descriptions to describe people. It can get a bit flowery sometimes. Usually when talking to someone you don't give a full body description of a person you mention.
If I am going to say something about my brother in conversation to someone whose never heard of him I would still say, "My brother, name, did such and such" as opposed to "My brother, name, who though younger than I am, is a good four inches taller causing many people to mistake him for being the elder of us. He's got the tight curly hair that would poof out into an cotton ball as opposed to falling straight if he were to grow it long and gray blue eyes. He did such and such." It just feels awkward to me to write.
Never mind trying to get the protagonist's name into the story in a smooth manner. Again since the protagonist is supposedly talking to someone, the someone should already know their name so they wouldn't introduce themselves. In fact it's entirely possible that the entire story could be told without the reader ever knowing the protagonist's name. Usually, this is rectified by someone else calling them by their name or them talking about their name. But who actually talks about their name in real life? Unless they're a complete egotist.
That's another thing that bothers me about first person povs, it makes the speaker sound rather egotistical in that they are assuming that the listener wants to know every detail about their lives. They're just that interesting.
And then I just realized that I'm rambling on here in first person, using 'I' like they're pennies. But then again, I'm giving an opinion piece. This is all my lovely personal opinion. It's getting filtered though my own personal bias. Which is also true about first person narrators. It gives you an excellent opportunity for unreliable narrators.
But, I don't really like them. If I'm being told a story, I want to be able to trust that it's true otherwise it just feels fake (duh). Almost like a 'it was all a dream' endings. Of course we can't always know that it's an unreliable narrator.
With third person however, it feels more natural to me to add in such things as what a person looks like because it's like telling a story. You're painting pictures. You're giving a report of what is in reality. You're not expecting the reader to know things because they're not part of the world. You're making it up, you're not holding a conversation.
I actually had a lot more to say on this, but my brain went blank in the intervening days since I got back to it.
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Date: 2010-05-15 05:54 am (UTC)- "I"s for your thoughts?
- Why is your personal opinion being filtered through your own persoal bias? Is that like double-filtering cheap vodka to make it taste better?
Okay, with that brainspit out of the way; I can't say it's "brave" of you to write so. It's your style, it's what you undestand, and if that's how you prefer to tell your story then...really, who cares otherwise? As long as it's a good story in the end.
The point of view is going to affect the story, in how it's told and what the reader is allowed to know. First-person allows for more opinionated views and a slightly better sense of being right in the action, as well as heavy flavoring of style. It's also limiting in what you can say and not say, because you can't know what's going on with another person. Third-person can give a more complete picture of what's going on, much like watching a movie; a downside is, personal style and preference comes across much more easily and can swing a view in a given direction, which if the viewpoint is not being told from a certain character makes the text itself a bit bias.
I, personally, am a fan of first-person; I like how it allows for stylization and working within the confines of the character. But I also enjoy third-person, because of the larger scene creation it allows.
It all depends on the story; is first or third going to tell the story to the best of your ability? Is that the view you want to give this story? Is so, then so be it and good luck to you.
Damn your blanking brain, I want to hear more of your first-person view on first- and third-person viewpoints!
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Date: 2010-05-15 06:17 am (UTC)I think I was getting a bit too meta there. oO
I agree, I agree. I agree.
Damn your blanking brain, I want to hear more of your first-person view on first- and third-person viewpoints!
I may do a part two. But I had a suddenly unexpectedly shittastic week. And that just tossed everything out the window. I want to do the other side of the coin of what the pros of writing first and the cons of writing third are.
I'm not even going to touch second.
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Date: 2010-05-15 07:12 am (UTC)Am sorry the week was tastic-ly shit. Hopefully the window wasn't too many stories high. I offer this (first-person) this story (http://ravenswept.livejournal.com/4275.html) as means of thearpy; simply picture yourself as the narrator, and your past week as personifed by the guy in the chair.
Agreed, second-person is like making out with your first-cousin; you know you can do it, and have aways wondered what it would be like, but after actually going through with it, feel really, really dirty.