Serious Kippur is Serious

[kippurbird]

This may seem a bit random, but it's something I've been thinking about.

I don't think that a two state solution is going to work. For one reason it reminds me of when they pacified Germany by giving them a bit of France and a bit of Czechoslovakia after they were taken over. They shook their fingers and said we'll give you these countries but no more making war. This is sort of what the United States and the other countries are doing. We'll give you your own country but you'll have to stop trying to destroy Israel.

Which is highly unlikely.

The Palestinians cry constantly that they want their own state but they don't do anything to make the territories that they have livable and they don't do anything to make peace with the Israelis. They constantly attack Israel and then cry foul when Israel tries to protect themselves from getting attacked. If they'd stop attacking then I'm sure Israel would be more willing to negotiate.

Negotiating with them now is negotiating with terrorists. They haven't done anything to prove themselves safe and decent. Giving into them now would just show that their behaviour is acceptable.

So... yeah.

Comments

[faded-enmity.livejournal.com]

I meant that the analogy doesn't work because you were applying it to the wrong group (i.e., the point of it didn't follow the structure of it), not that the logic of it is wrong. :)

As for your point, I mostly agree with you, but I'd wager that there are actually more than enough things in their (Palestinian) history and culture that aren't also Arabic on that wide scale due to the interference of Western powers, well, fairly constantly. Added to that would be the expected difference between peoples from Gaza and those from Kuwait -- you could likely equate it to the difference between New Englanders and Southern Californians. There are clear cultural differences, yet we're still Americans. I'm honestly fairly sure that they have/had their own identity that is older than 60 years, even if its current incarnation has been most heavily influenced by the state of Israel. At the very least, British culture must have seeped in, and prior to that elements of Ottoman Turk, who themselves would have had a wide range of internal peoples from which to draw influences.

[kevias.livejournal.com]

I do make poor analogies from time to time. Forgive me.

I'm terribly unfamiliar with life in Palestine under the British mandate, so I can't be much of a judge on how much Palestinian life would differ from Egyptian or Syrian life, pre-1947.

I guess I should've been more nuanced in my argument. People living in Palestine would consider themselves Palestinian, but before Israel they wouldn't have considered the label to mean as much as afterwards. There's a range of gray, and I guess we're drawing the line at different shades.