Serious Kippur is Serious

[kippurbird]

This may seem a bit random, but it's something I've been thinking about.

I don't think that a two state solution is going to work. For one reason it reminds me of when they pacified Germany by giving them a bit of France and a bit of Czechoslovakia after they were taken over. They shook their fingers and said we'll give you these countries but no more making war. This is sort of what the United States and the other countries are doing. We'll give you your own country but you'll have to stop trying to destroy Israel.

Which is highly unlikely.

The Palestinians cry constantly that they want their own state but they don't do anything to make the territories that they have livable and they don't do anything to make peace with the Israelis. They constantly attack Israel and then cry foul when Israel tries to protect themselves from getting attacked. If they'd stop attacking then I'm sure Israel would be more willing to negotiate.

Negotiating with them now is negotiating with terrorists. They haven't done anything to prove themselves safe and decent. Giving into them now would just show that their behaviour is acceptable.

So... yeah.

Comments

[huinesoron.livejournal.com]

Technically (I am a nitpick) Poland's the one we didn't give them -- we were allied with them. What we gave them was, in order, a bit of France, a bit of Czechslovakia, the rest of Cz, and Austria somewhere in there.

As to Israel... to be honest, the real real real problem there is Jerusalem. Both sets of people want to hold onto Temple Mount, and by extension the entire city. That's never going to get resolved. The other problem is that wherever there are angry people, there will be attacks of some sort. In Palestine, they voted a terrorist group (Hamas) into government. And, to be fair, it's partially solved the problem -- I may be wrong, but the violence these days seems to be in Hamas-occupied Gaza, rather than the Fatah-controlled West Bank (which is the bit touching on Jerusalem). Seems to me the easiest solution would be to name those as two separate states, and only negotiate with the West Bank... but I still doubt it'd get anywhere.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Okay. I fail at remembering my history. I'll fix it.

Maybe they should just declare Jerusalem it's own separate entity, like the Vatican.

And I believe you're right about the Hamas/Fatah problem. It is really Gaza that's the problems, I think.

I don't think it will ever go anywhere either. There's too much bad blood.

[mistyeyedreamer.livejournal.com]

It'd be nice if it was as easy as Jerusalem becoming a seperate entity, but something tells me it wouldn't be.

[(Anonymous)]

They tried that before, I think. It didn't work.

Palestine will never stop being violent. I think the Israelis have shown an ASTOUNDING level of tolerance and patience with them. Could you imagine people in Texas putting up with Mexico firing rockets at them every single day?

There isn't an easy solution to this problem except eliminating Palestine. But, admittedly, that's pretty brutal.

[palmer-kun.livejournal.com]

I have the only rational solution.

Give Jerusalem to Iceland, kick everyone out, and populate it with a bunch of Icelanders. They're a rather laid back people :)

This solution is based on the time tested and proven basis of

"Until you both can play nice and learn to share, NOBODY gets anything"

That's the problem when you have three conflicting religions sharing the same history and significant events.

[gariegen.livejournal.com]

The territories ,that were added to Nazi Germany were in order: Austria(the anschluss), the Sudetenland (borderlands of the Czechoslovakian republic), Czechia and Moravia (but more in a sence of occupation),Menel (in Lithuania), Western Poland (after it was conquered), southern part of Denmark , Alsace and Lorraine (after France was conquered).

[huinesoron.livejournal.com]

I thought (and this is from memory) that Alsace-Lorraine was technically German, demilitarised and under French control between the wars, and that one of the first things the Nazis did was march troops into it and take control of the industry therein. I may be wrong, though.

[gariegen.livejournal.com]

You are thinking of the demilitarised Rhineland, german teritories west of the Rhine.The Nazis did march into it and thus spat on the Versiles treaty as early as 1936.

[huinesoron.livejournal.com]

Aha, so I am. Thanks.

Of course, the Treaty of Versailles was never a very fair document to begin with... but how on earth did we get from Palestine to the World Wars?