The Hermit™ scene

[kippurbird]

Escape and Evasion: Pt.2

So, where were we? Ah, yes. Running.

Eragon runs. He sees a flock of starlings and is reminded of his times drinking mint tea with Roran and his uncle Garrow watching the starling flocks at sunset back home. It's actually a very nice image and memory, but there's no lingering on it. It feels like it should lead into more memories of his life back with Garrow and Roran before all of this happened. Something more than just a line about tea on the porch. It's shoveled in and then Eragon notices a large ruin.

So, remember Eragon's oath of Veganism except when it's polite? Apparently he doesn't. Curiosity aroused, he decided to break his fast among the ruins. They were sure to contain plentiful game, and foraging would provide him with an excuse to do a bit of exploring before continuing on his way. I bring this up because he's now in the foot hills where there is plenty of lush greenery and plants to possibly eat. He's not out in the middle of the desert any more when he had nothing else available to eat. Game indicates animals. I would think that once he'd gotten to a place where he can get plants more easily in a sustainable way, he would go back to them. After all, that's what he said he would do. I think what might have happened though is that "plentiful game and foraging" is such a typical phrase that Paolini might have stuck it in there without realizing that's what he did.

Following Eragon into the ruins we get an interesting contradiction. The road that Eragon walks along is unlike any human, elf, or dwarf work he was familiar with. then he sees the ruins of a tower which He suspected that he had found an elven outpost, erected long before
the destruction of the Riders. No other race had the skill or inclination to build such a structure. Let's see that means the Ra'zac must have made the road. After all, the Urgals didn't come from Eragon's land until after the humans and elves did. The dwarves didn't do it and neither did the dragons, because dragons don't build things, so that leaves only the Ra'zac as the possible creators of the road. After all they're an ancient race that's been around forever (until Eragon killed the last of them) and they wear clothing... until they're older... so it's more than likely that they could have made the roads. Though I'm sure that's not what Paolini meant. The thing is, when you rule out all the known possibilities, that leaves the unknown. But Eragon didn't rule out all the known possibilities really, just the "Good" races. I bring up the Ra'zac then because we never see anything of their culture. We just know that they're an ancient race, so it's entirely possible they created the road.

It is immediately contradicted when Eragon sees the tower and supposes it of elven make, saying that only they had the inclination and skill for such things. Though the voice inside my head goes, "what about those dwarves, are they chop liver? because I thought they were supposed to be the master-crafters and the elves the tree huggers or something. But then again, the elves are good at everything, so I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised. It's just that, why couldn't the elves have built a road if they could build a tower?

The problem is that, Paolini is trying to create world depth, "thing so old that it's like nothing any of the known races would have made" thus giving it a sense of history and at the same time trying to show how awesome the elves are with their tower building. He just put them side by side where it doesn't work. It's a big culture clash.

This is not important. For it's time for that very important section: The Crazy Old Hermit Encounter™! That's right, Eragon meets an old crazy hermit™.

A single man sat hunched among the rows of plants, weeding a patch of snap peas. Shadows covered his down turned face. His gray beard was so long, it lay piled in his lap like a mound of uncombed wool.

Without looking up, the man said, “Well, are you going to help me finish these peas or not? There’s a meal in it for you if you do.”

Long gray bearded man who knows Eragon is there and has no problem with inviting a complete stranger to lunch? Yup. Sounds like our Hermit™ Hermits always invite strange adventurers to have lunch with them after the adventurer helps them with whatever chore they're working on. Then during the meal, they'll do something strange and mysterious leaving the adventurer confused.

Eragon introduces himself as Bergan, son of Garrow. The hermit is Tenga, son of Ingvar. The weed peas. Eragon knows he shouldn't be doing it, but he does. Because, you have to stop for an hour to weed peas when you've got an entire rebellion waiting for you, when an old man tells you to. It's a Requirement. Eragon communes with the environment while he weeds. As he weeded, he allowed his mind to expand and touch the multitude of living things within the glade. He welcomed the sense of unity he shared with them.

Doesn't he feel the pain of the poor plants as they're being ripped from their homes in the ground to be tossed away to die, withering away among their peers? He's killing these weeds! And not only that but he's touching their minds as he does! And enjoying it! "Welcoming the sense of unity" generally indicates enjoyment.

Here Paolini has forgotten that weeds are a living plant and therefore would be part of the minds he's touching. Weeds are classified as "unwanted plants" and in many ways aren't thought of as plants but instead things to get rid of. This is how most people think about weeds. They are, however, plants. As plants, they are alive. As they are alive, they should be screaming in agony while they're being plucked from the earth. And this is why the whole being able to sense every living thing doesn't work.

So, after sadistically killing weeds, Eragon has lunch with our Hermit™. The Hermit™ has nice digs for a Hermit™. A spacious kitchen and dinning room full of books, scrolls and papers and a spiral staircase going up to the next floor. When the Hermit™ magically lights a fire in the fireplace without speaking, Eragon immediately assumes he's being attacked. Nothing happens except the Hermit™ goes about muttering to himself while making lunch. It allows Eragon the moment to reflect on what Yoda told Eragon previously about magic. For as Oromis had taught Eragon, words were the means by which one controlled the release of magic. To cast a spell without the structure of language binding that motive power was to risk having a stray thought or emotion distort the result.

This means that the Hermit™ is obviously very powerful, doesn't it? Especially the fact that he has all these tombs and things to read which are very rare, according to Eragon. But nothing comes of this.

The Hermit™ gives Eragon lunch: bread, cheese, ale and meat pie. I'm not sure where the food comes from as the Hermit™ lives in the middle of no where. He has no animals, so he can't make cheese, no fields so he can't make bread or ale, and perhaps he can hunt, but still. This sort of food is the kind that you get when you live near civilization. The Hermit™ is clearly out of the way. BUT what else are you supposed to eat in a fantasy world? Note: Eragon scrapes his plate clean, including the meat pie.

Not eating meat vow? What not eating meat vow?

This seems to have been forgotten in the desire for telling this particular scene.

Continuity? What continuity?

Meat pie is what you're fed so that's what you eat, and never mind thoughts about reservations on having to continue to eat meat or gee it feels icky or he eats everything but the pie. Nope, it's all scraped clean. The word "meat" has been stuck on there as an adjective like "cold" or "brown", the actual fact that it is meat is lost. The word is merely tacked on to describe the food, without thought as to what it is that is being described.

They finish their repast (yes, that's the word he uses) the Hermit™ eating lunch in front of the fireplace mumbling to himself. He seems to have gone OOC some how. He started off as the Strange Mysterious Hermit™ who knows you're there and is really an old sorcerer or what not and has moved into Crazy Mumbling Hermit™ barely capable of coherent communication.

When Eragon asks who built the tower, the Hermit™ says that the "tricky elves" built it. And when Eragon asks what the Hermit™ is doing there: '

“What is it you do here? Are you all alone, or—”

“I search for the answer!” exclaimed Tenga. “A key to an unopened door, the secret of the trees and the plants. Fire, heat, lightning, light . . . Most do not know the question and wander in ignorance. Others know the question but fear what the answer will mean. Bah! For thousands of years we have lived like savages. Savages! I shall end that. I shall usher in the age of light, and all shall praise my deed.”

“Pray tell, what exactly do you search for?”

A frown twisted Tenga’s face. “You don’t know the question? I thought you might. But no, I was
mistaken. Still, I see you understand my search. You search for a different answer, but you search nevertheless. The same brand burns in your heart as burns in mine. Who else but a fellow pilgrim can appreciate what we must sacrifice to find the answer?”

“The answer to what?”

“To the question we choose.”

Yes, we've hit full on blather here. Important and intelligent sounding but not when you think about it blather. It's about as deep as a valley girl's mind. Sounds like one too. It feels like -to me- that Paolini is trying for something philosophical. And it feels like it's coming from somewhere else. But in the end it's almost as good as a Begger's Guild professional mumbler.

I think what it is supposed to do is reflect on Eragon showing that he is a deep and philosophical person searching for a deep truth the the universe. Because Crazy Hermits™ are always knowing of the truth and such. Which is why they are Crazy Hermits™

To change the subject Eragon spots some carved animals on the windowsill and asks about them. It turns out that "she" made them. The Hermit™'s ramblings scare Eragon and he leaves the man to his ramblings.

And that's it. We learn there's a crazy Hermit™ in the woods who is a powerful spell caster. Did Eragon try and recruit the fellow for the Varden? No. He just weeded the man's garden, sadistically enjoying the death of the weeds, ate his food and left without saying good bye.

So much more could have been done with this scene, but nothing was. It was just more filler. And another proof that Eragon has no sympathy for other people. He couldn't talk with the Hermit™ long enough to learn anything about him, or even garner his help against the Empire. After all the man is obviously a powerful spell caster! But instead he's just left there. Eragon not doing anything for him. And the scene merely passes into another thing to check off on the cliche list.





I know one of the Christmas eggs will be abandoned, but I figure I'll get it some clicks before it gets sent on its way.

Comments

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Does it say why the road is unlike anything from the other races? Is it the stone used? Is it the shape of the paving stones, or how tightly they're fitted? Maybe it's asphalt? All of which would be questions I'd expect a good writer to answer, which is why Paolini probably didn't.

Does anyone else get a 'Gollum' vibe from the hermit? Leave aside that when he does speak, it's in complete sentences, if nonsensical ones. But 'tricky elves'? 'Tricksy hobbits', anyone?

And yes, goddammit Paolini, you're supposed to make a scene like this MEANINGFUL to the overall plot! So the old guy thinks Eragon is a fellow traveller... so what? That does not mean it's true! He could have thought Eragon was a rutabaga!

Although a rutabaga would be superior in intellect, charm and personality...

And what's with 'pray tell'? It just sounds awkward there... and I swear I've seen something like the hermit's little philosobabble thing before... it's interesting how he makes it sound like there's one big overriding question to the world (Hitchhiker's Guide, anyone?), and then spoils it by basically saying that no, there isn't one basic answer, only the 'question that you choose'.

Would have made more sense like this: "Oh, you're not trying to answer that question? I thought you were. Which question are you trying to answer?"
Eragon: "Uh... well... how to defeat Galbatorix, I guess..."
Hermit: "Pshhh, that's not YOUR question. What question are YOU trying to answer?"

It saddens me that I wrote one line of dialog for Eragon and I already think it sounds more sensible and intelligent than the guy in Paolini's books...

[attack-bunny.livejournal.com]

All it says about the road is that it's made of stone.

Maybe Eragon hasn't encountered paved roads yet.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Does anyone else get a 'Gollum' vibe from the hermit? Leave aside that when he does speak, it's in complete sentences, if nonsensical ones. But 'tricky elves'? 'Tricksy hobbits', anyone?

Yeah, I thought of that too. Kind of a weird phrase for someone to use, even in this book. Then again, we don't get many opinions on the elves outside of Eragon's so it's kind of hard to say. It's actually quite nice to see a difference of opinion but so random. It would've been another thing entirely if the hermit had gone on to explain what he meant. :P

Would have made more sense like this: "Oh, you're not trying to answer that question? I thought you were. Which question are you trying to answer?"
Eragon: "Uh... well... how to defeat Galbatorix, I guess..."
Hermit: "Pshhh, that's not YOUR question. What question are YOU trying to answer?"

It saddens me that I wrote one line of dialog for Eragon and I already think it sounds more sensible and intelligent than the guy in Paolini's books...

O_O ._.

That was coherent and interesting. And you're absolutely correct, it DID make him sound more sensible and intelligent.

You know, this is fun! Let's see how many more of these we can come up with? There are several ways he could have answered it to sound more sensible and intelligent. :D

Eragon: "To defeat the empire's worst enemy."
Hermit: "Ahhh but that's not your question. Your question is WHO is the empire's worst enemy."

Or something like this.

Eragon: "I can't tell you. It might put your life in danger."
Hermit: "Hah! Who fears danger when there's work to be done? Questions don't find answers all on their own."
Eragon: "I wouldn't say that. Rain can douse a wildfire."
Hermit: "That isn't a question."

Or...

Eragon: "Oh, I guess... the way back to -insert name of general area the Varden is- so I can see my friends and family again."
Hermit: "That's one answer but not the answer that you seek! Think harder, boy."

Anyone got more? ^_^

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Those are pretty good too.

Further proof how easy it would be to write something better.

[torylltales.livejournal.com]

You know, that two-line bit you wrote is vastly superior to most of Paolini's dialogue. Inclusive of all three books.

Why? Because it's human. And shows Eragon to be what he should be--a clueless, falliable farmboy caught up in a war about which he has little control and even littler understanding.

Also, I like that comment about a rutabaga having a better personality. XD

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

See, now THAT Eragon, the one you just described, would be interesting. Instead of this brutal sociopath with god-like power.

And thanks. It's sad that a rutabaga would make a better character than Eragon, but... there it is.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

No, it doesn't say how the road is different at all. It's just a paved road.

Yes on the Gollum vibe. Decided it was going a bit too obvious.

I think if he thought Eragon was a rutabaga would have been much more interesting. Eragon would have left a lot quicker and the scene would have been done much quicker.

Your dialog is much better.

[easol.livejournal.com]

Totally got a Gollum vibe. The only difference is that he didn't call them "nasty elves," only "tricky/tricksy elves."

It saddens me that I wrote one line of dialog for Eragon and I already think it sounds more sensible and intelligent than the guy in Paolini's books...

You'n'me both.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Totally got a Gollum vibe. The only difference is that he didn't call them "nasty elves," only "tricky/tricksy elves."

But if the hermit is somehow Gollum-based, that makes sense. Paolini's already proved that his version of originality is to basically copy something and then change one obvious detail.

Like Murtagh and Arya. They are effectively Han Solo (charming rogue) and Princess Leia (spunky princess), except Murtagh is the long-lost relative and Arya is Eragon's love interest. They fulfilled the same basic functions in the story, but Paolini switched things around a little.

[torylltales.livejournal.com]

I actually thought he was more of an insane Tom Bombadil character, without the merriment and singing and mysterious wife. Rather than Gollum.

I thought Sloan was the Gollum figure, anyway.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm.

I guess he is more 'Tom Bombadil' over all, but still, the 'tricky elves' line is a bit odd.

How would Sloan be Gollum?

[torylltales.livejournal.com]

There was a comment on anti-shurtugal, I'll see if I can find it.

Gollum and Sloan both have origins to those of their respective protagonists, Sloan being a villager just like Roran, and Gollum having been a hobbit.

Both are obsessed with something important to their opposite: Sloan and Roran both want Katrina, Frodo and Gollum both desire the One Ring. Also, both Sloan and Gollum 'possessed' it first, and both suffer and are tortured because of it. Both also seize this object by force at the last moment.

Both Sloan and Gollum are much older than their rivals.

Both become as much objects of pity as that of loathing.

Of course, Sloan doesn't kill his brother, and doesn't die (although he might wish he had), but otherwise the match seems pretty close.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

o_o ... o_O Could you give me the link to that thread?

That does make a lot of sense. Except... Roran ultimately gets to keep Katrina. Sloan doesn't. (Even if Gollum did die in the act of taking it, Frodo never got the ring back and thus Gollum took the thing to his grave.) Of course, that can be considered another change that was made. :O

Honestly? I don't think Paolini intentionally tried to make Sloan like Gollum. I can't fathom Paolini understanding Gollum any more than he does Sloan. I'm pretty certain it's a coincidence or that Paolini wanted Eragon to have a scene of judgment similar to Frodo's staying of the hand, instead of killing Gollum, without realizing how similar those two characters really are.

Especially since you can make a better arguement for the idea that Sloan is actually obsessed with his dead wife. He never remarries and it was mentioned in Eldest that Sloan was actually trying to find a good match for Katrina before Carvahall met the Ra'zac (when Roran says he's going to wait until he rebuilds the farm to ask for her hand in marriage, she tells Roran about her father wanting to marry her off.) Sloan also said his wife's name, Ismara (I think it was), right before Eragon sent him on his blind escapade through the wilderness. Sloan was possessive and doting over Katrina because she was his child and the last connection he had to his wife.

Of course, his discussions with Katrina about marriage point out that he was able to let go of her eventually (he wanted to make sure she'd be looked after when he died, I'm sure) so Eragon didn't have ground to stand on when he considered Sloan's love unhealthy. Sure, it might have taken Sloan awhile to come around to this and he had high standards for the young men he suggested to her BUT he was apparently worried she would become an old maid (a term used in the book, heh, he probably thought her standards were too high because she kept saying no) and THAT shows he was willing to let go of her at a semi-normal time for a girl her age.

It also shows he gave a darn about her feelings on the matter. He might have pressured her some, because he thought she was being unnecessarily stubborn and possibly because he thought he knew what was best for her (maybe even eager for grandchildren, we'll probably never know), but it was pretty clear he wasn't being mean about it (she says it very calmly, I'm sure if he had been awful she would've cried into Roran's arms) or trying to go behind her back and arrange something without her consent.

What I really want to know is how Eragon understood Sloan better than he understood himself if he's never experienced the loss of a lover. (You could mention his parents, since he supposedly would love them if he weren't so psychotic, but let's face it... he lost his parents before he really knew who they were and doesn't find out about Brom until AFTER he sent Sloan on his way.) Maybe he knew from digging through the guy's head... even then, eh.

[torylltales.livejournal.com]

http://community.livejournal.com/antishurtugal/305949.html


What I really want to know is how Eragon understood Sloan better than he understood himself if he's never experienced the loss of a lover.

Because he's JUST THAT SPECIAL.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, that tends to be the answer to every question about Eragon.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

That does make sense, I guess.... although it is kinda based on circumstance. It might stretch things a bit...

Besides, describing Sloan as 'obsessed'... that's Paolini's word for it, and he's hardly reliable in describing his characters, is he? Remember, Eragon and Roran are supposed to be heroes, but they both come across as extremely sociopathic at best.

[veriun.livejournal.com]

Wow, it's not even filler. It's filler filler. Hypocritical filler filler.

You know, the hermit's speech reminded me of mosaic. It looks all pretty and awesome if you just glance over it quickly at a distance, but if you walk closer to see how things are put together it's just a mess.

[pseudo_tsuga.livejournal.com]

Hey now, that's an insult to well-made mosaics!

[veriun.livejournal.com]

No offense meant to mosaic in general. Sorry. :(

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Everything is hypocritical in his works.

That's a cool analogy. It works for everything he does, actually.

[attack-bunny.livejournal.com]

>“I search for the answer!” exclaimed Tenga.

Can save you some time there, Tenga buddy. It's 42.

>The Hermit™ gives Eragon lunch: bread, cheese, ale and meat pie. I'm not sure where the food comes from as the Hermit™ lives in the middle of no where. He has no animals, so he can't make cheese, no fields so he can't make bread or ale, and perhaps he can hunt, but still.

Maybe he has a spell on himself like Eragon put on poor Sloan. So the birds and mice and wood rats bring him tankards of ale and roll him wheels of cheese through the woodlands.

>No other race had the skill or inclination to build such a structure.

It's a tower. Built of stone. So humans can build the Cathedral of Dras-Leona and that castle in Surda but not a simple stone tower. And the dwarves, who built that massive tacky cathedral in their city, wouldn't have the skill to build a simple stone structure either.

If anything this supports the idea that the elves were tyrannical despots, if they spent all their time building military outposts in other races' lands.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Maybe he has a spell on himself like Eragon put on poor Sloan. So the birds and mice and wood rats bring him tankards of ale and roll him wheels of cheese through the woodlands.

You know, it would've been interesting to see what might have happened if Sloan had run across this guy. Sure, he's blind and enchanted against his will but I would laugh my head off if Sloan did the equivalent of shaking his stick at the hermit and yelling, "GET A JOB, YOU DAMN HIPPIE!"

If anything this supports the idea that the elves were tyrannical despots, if they spent all their time building military outposts in other races' lands.

I'm surprised they don't. I mean... why not? It's also possible they once had reign over a lot more land than they do now and this is from when they ruled this area. The fact that Paolini doesn't decide to examine WHY the tower is there smacks of laziness. It's not just pointless filler, it's another "this is so cool" moment.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Definitely another 'this is so cool' thing. A mysterious tower in the middle of nowhere? AWESOME! And who needs any kind of explanation as to where the tower or road came from, anyways? Having the hermit explain that would detract from the AWESOME philosphical ramblings!

You know what? I hereby declare Brisingr to be the styrofoam packing of the fantasy genre.

It's large and looks heavy, but it's actually light and fluffy and not really good for anything except filling spaces and providing shock absorption for more valuable objects.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Yes. Styrofoam bricks! I'm now imagining building a little fort out of the three colors of Brick thus far. XD

I mean, philosophical? Paolini should read "Plato and a Platypus Walk Into a Bar" sometime. It'll improve his understanding of philosophy and possibly his understanding of humor.

[attack-bunny.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah that would be so good.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

It's a tower. Built of stone. So humans can build the Cathedral of Dras-Leona and that castle in Surda but not a simple stone tower. And the dwarves, who built that massive tacky cathedral in their city, wouldn't have the skill to build a simple stone structure either

It's an uber special tower... somehow. Duh.

[torylltales.livejournal.com]

A mysterious tower unlike any seen before...

A mysterious hermit named "Tenga"...

...

-carefully pulls out a brick in the tower-

-tower falls-

Jenga!


That's all I have to say about this chapter.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

*snickers, then facepalm* I really hate to think that Jenga may have been part of his worldbuild for this scene.... but it would not surprise me.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

... That image is priceless. XD

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

You know, I was thinking the same exact thing. Sadly.

[araine.livejournal.com]

We just know that they're an ancient race, so it's entirely possible they created the road.

You know, that might have been interesting, had Eragon realized that the Ra'zac created the road. Like, they're an ancient race that has been wiped out (by him) but their creations still live on, kind of like buildings from ancient Greece or Rome. I would have liked that better than, y'know... Eragon stamping all over them and their beliefs because they're "evil".

They are, however, plants. As plants, they are alive. As they are alive, they should be screaming in agony while they're being plucked from the earth. And this is why the whole being able to sense every living thing doesn't work.

I'm kind of reminded of Tamora Pierce (her books were my fantasy obsession in my tweens) - in one of her books, she has two characters who are plant mages. When the subject of weeding and pruning comes up, the student-character is horrified by the idea of hurting a living plant, but they have to do it because otherwise the weeds would spread and choke out the other plants. It hurts them (their magic) to do it, but they do it anyways for the good of the garden as a whole.

Which, again, would be interesting if Paolini brought it up. Just that... he didn't.

And Eragon on the road is boooring.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Eragon on his own is boring. Even getting into his head isn't interesting in the slightest but not because he's the "straight man", by any means. He really HAS to meet someone else to become remotely interesting. He's almost like Bella in that regard, isn't he?

Same for most of Paolini's other characters. I never really get the feeling that they may be doing things when they're off-screen. They only appear from the dark when the theater spotlight shines down on them and then they disappear from view and memory until it happens again. Even Murtagh and Sloan are this way, really. :P

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

I'm kind of reminded of Tamora Pierce (her books were my fantasy obsession in my tweens) - in one of her books, she has two characters who are plant mages. When the subject of weeding and pruning comes up, the student-character is horrified by the idea of hurting a living plant, but they have to do it because otherwise the weeds would spread and choke out the other plants. It hurts them (their magic) to do it, but they do it anyways for the good of the garden as a whole.

Which, again, would be interesting if Paolini brought it up. Just that... he didn't.

*smacks self* Sorry, I forgot to respond to this earlier. I don't recall if I read that particular book. (I've read a bunch of hers but it's been years since I did.) And that does sound very interesting. Besides, what if a magician adept with plants could actually remove the weeds without killing them and transplant them into the wild? The pruning... ugh. And if they're plants that will be harvested... Those would be harder and they would just have to deal with it as being for the greater good of the plants themselves and the greater good of the people growing them in order to survive.

This could have also been the source of an interesting analogy lesson... if needed. Such as hurting soldiers of the empire, even though they're humans too. Or something. I know, crappy analogy. But the point is, there is SO much more that could have been done with this scene and Paolini only scraped the surface. :P

[araine.livejournal.com]

It's part of her "Circle of Magic" series. I think the first or second book, but I'd have to reread them to be sure.
-goes on a quest to dredge up the books again-

Come to think of it, has Paolini used any analogy lessons? Like, wasn't there one thing about ants? I don't know, I usually find those very interesting, and none of them have been brought to my attention, so I don't know if he uses them. It seems like there are quite a few times where he could use one and he did not.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

You know, that might have been interesting, had Eragon realized that the Ra'zac created the road. Like, they're an ancient race that has been wiped out (by him) but their creations still live on, kind of like buildings from ancient Greece or Rome. I would have liked that better than, y'know... Eragon stamping all over them and their beliefs because they're "evil".

It would have been. I would have done it. And then we could, if it was well written, see Eragon feel guilty about killing the last of the Ra'zac and wondering if they were really evil in the first place.

The Tamora Pierce story sounds very interesting and thought through. Unlike this.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Tamora Pierce also had another series, 'The Immortals', featuring a girl who has magic that allows her to talk to animals, heal them, and eventually, shapeshift into them. She can even partially shapeshift to give herself better senses.

Eventually she finds out she's the daughter of a 'Herne the Hunter' type god. When she meets him, however, she has to explain to daddy that she doesn't eat meat at all, any kind of meat, because it bothers her to be eating her animal friends. And as far as I recall, she sticks with that all through.

So for her, vegetarianism or veganism makes sense and is consistent, and wasn't all that preachy.

Aaaaaand now I'm wondering if that partially inspired Paolini's elves...

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Nah. I doubt it inspired them. Well... huh. Dunno. Never read the series.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more gradual, I think. Daine starts out eating all meat, because it's her nature (Wolf-Speaker), but by the time she's 15 she'll only eat livestock (since she's been hunted, and is also more attuned with the minds of game animals). In the last book, she's only eating mutton, fish, and chicken (because she doesn't like the idea of eating her animal friends, but doesn't regard those animals as intelligent... I never liked this reasoning, and didn't understand why she just didn't cut meat from her diet). By the time she makes her cameo in First Test, I'd put money on her being lacto-vegetarian.

It fits with her growing up and becoming more aware of the world and everyone in it. Tamora Pierce is really good at picking communicating her characters' ideologies (and their reasoning) without bashing it in your face.

When Daine sees the world through her magic for the first time, she's fascinated by the life she can see in a blade of grass. She plucks it, it dies, and she's immediately contrite. So... Tamora Pierce pwns Paolini. (Even considering Aly. :P)

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

And that's it. We learn there's a crazy Hermit™ in the woods who is a powerful spell caster. Did Eragon try and recruit the fellow for the Varden? No. He just weeded the man's garden, sadistically enjoying the death of the weeds, ate his food and left without saying good bye.

._.

;_;

Seriously? Is this guy ever going to show up AGAIN? Ever? Because... that was one huge waste of a chapter. First a moronic scene with some poor uninformed guards and now this? How many pages was this chapter? I'm curious to know.

And... okay. I could understand if Eragon was afraid of the guy. BUT WHAT DOES HE HAVE TO BE AFRAID OF? I'm sorry! He destroyed the Ra'zac without having a sword! He had Roran's help but he finished off that last one on his own. I don't CARE how powerful this old codger is. He's more afraid of a crazy old man than he is Galbatorix. Does that make ANY sense whatsoever? ANY? c_c

Not to mention the WEEDING SCENE SHOULD HAVE REMINDED HIM OF HIS FAMILY! Tea on the porch? Yeah, that's fine. It works. But as you said, it had no interconnectedness. HERE was a prime example of him showcasing Eragon's farmer roots. But it isn't there. It showcases his pseudo-elven roots which makes me grit my teeth because, as you mentioned, he completely forgot that weeds are living things.

It would be different if he ever mentioned that because he feels everything, Eragon has been substantially desensitized to death. That would make some sense. If you always felt other living things or unintentionally sent out your feelers, just as some of them died, you'd get used to it. It would even give someone a good excuse for being either emo or completely stoic about death. They would be so intimately connected to death that it might become natural. But Eragon doesn't have the scenes showing him getting used to this so we have to assume he's a sadistic pervert like everyone else on this fantasy planet. Ugh.

I hate... hate hate these books. I love them for their inspiration of what NOT to do and they did give me a recent plot bunny that I am reveling in. But this... I hope this thing doesn't become as crappy as the Fifth Sorceress. I really hope. I have considerable fear regarding the rest of this and the next book. Don't tell me how the random bizarre rape scenes won't happen. That's not the issue! This is almost as bad as the horse who acted like a dog and the blood... if this book actually manages to get better, it will be a miracle. -_-;


Also, congrats! I see you snagged one of the new Christmas eggs! (Apparently everyone can have two of them. Hee hee.) I caught two of them earlier today, to my surprise (I must have showed up during a lull or after a lot of people had finally caught their second one) and then I grabbed some common eggs, that were short on time, from the abandoned pile. Like dis one. XD

[dryaunda.livejournal.com]

Bah! For thousands of years we have lived like savages. Savages! I shall end that.

Elaboration would be interesting!

Oops, I said the I-word...


Any medieval-y I'd write would be about building up civilization, because I like things more than people. And it'd still have more empathy for others than every other romp through Generica.

When us high-level autistics are the empathetic ones, you know something's wrong.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Well, Paolini seems to be trying to show off how smart he is, and how many big words he knows, so... no, they can't.

[smurasaki.livejournal.com]

This book reminds me of a gaming...campaign (for lack of a more appropriate word) I was a part of. The GM was inspired by every bit of fiction he watched or read, which could have been okay, except he just kind of randomly threw everything in that he thought was cool. So our hapless group started plot after plot without ever finishing any and periodically had random "cool scene" encounters that didn't go anywhere or make any sense in relation to the rest of the "story."

It's bad enough in a gaming group, but why...how...did Paolini get away with it? Did he tell the editor that this is absolutely vital for the next book or just slip him/her a few hundreds?

[lccorp2.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's simple enough--he just got into the "I'm too good for an editor" subset of authors.

[the-norseman.livejournal.com]

Pretty much yes, at some point the editors stop doing their job if the author objects. After all what's the point of editing something if you know it'll sell no matter what? That is why a writer's first and second book are often the best, or among the best, he'll ever write. After that he isn't forced to edit so much.

[jacedraccus.livejournal.com]

Paolini is also in the rare position of being popular before the series kicked off, thanks to his self-publishing and self-marketing. I've seen the comment made that because Eragon was already out there, they probably couldn't edit it much or change anything.

So I'm guessing that extends to later books, too, in that, well, it's the same stuff as he published before... Also, as you say, he probably objects when he's told to change anything.

[db-silverdragon.livejournal.com]

Spoiler: Tenga gets mentioned again, meaning that he's probably going to end up important by the end of the crapfest. He is apparently evil.

Also, I really didn't see this as anything important. It was just the obligatory crazy but maybe mystical hermit.

[arial-vs-lotus.livejournal.com]

Tenga is evil? I heard rumours (or suggestions?) on that Anti-Shurtugal site that Tenga was the alleged "god" figure Eragon meets. as in "God, How the Hell does Paolini manage to stuff so many cliches into one book?"

also, ICON LOVE!!!!!!where'd you get that?! (Has much Megatron II love)

[db-silverdragon.livejournal.com]

I found it on TFW2005. I liked it, so I saved it.

You can have it, if you want.