Stone Stupidity.
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kippurbirdWell, our darling fan has replied to me.
I'm not sure what to say to that one yet.
Chapter seventeen, the Game pt two
After Charlie's "Fatherly Grilling" of Edward where upon they immediately become Chummy and make light about Bella, Edward and Bella leave. Edward brought Emmett's Jeep. Edward puts Bella in her seat which is an off-road harness. There are many straps and buckles. I am reminded of a baby seat. Bella has problems putting all the buckles together, so Edward does it for her with a sigh. He also sighed when he helped Bella into the Jeep. I'm not sure what sort of sigh it is though. Exasperated, fond, amused? Were they two different kinds of sighs? Sigh is such a blank word. It can me so many different things and with Edward who is also so blank, it's hard to know exactly what he means.
After sniffing and fondling her some, and not putting on his seat belt he mentions that they're going to have to run some of the way to get where they'll be playing. This of course makes Bella all queasy. Definitely a reasonable response. Edward finds it funny.
When they finally get to the point where Edward needs to take her on piggy back, Bella decides she doesn't want to go. Edward dislikes taking no for an answer.
I'm sorry, whut? She's said no twice to him. TWICE. He doesn't listen to her. He's taking over for her and over-riding her wishes. Not only that but he says that he's going to tamper with her mind. Straight out, not at all in a whisper, but where she can hear without straining herself. And yet we're supposed to believe that he cares about her. I suppose it could be argued that he doesn't want her to be afraid and thus by messing with her mind, fixes that, but he should have the patience to deal with her in proper normal human terms. If she doesn't want to piggy back, then they should walk, even if it'll take them longer to get there. He needs to be sensitive to her needs.
To fix it, he ... well... he fondles her. Kissing and touching her while saying that would he do anything to hurt her to get her to admit that she won't be hurt. Why yes, that is direct manipulation. Which, had this book been about Edward being an evil bastard, be perfectly acceptable. However this is supposed to be him being romantic. And yes, the subtle kissing and touching could be considered romantic and seductive, it's just the circumstances that they are presented in takes it away.
Meyers seems to have an uncanny knack for this. She presents situations that should be considered romantic or sexy or erotic but it comes off as abusive because of previous statements, the "modifying of her memory".
And Bella gives in.
Why does she have to give in? When has he ever given in? It doesn't make her a strong heroine like she's supposed to be, but spineless.
They fully kiss and there the line, "I was suddenly welded to his stone figure". This sounds like it was stolen from LKH. And how is a stone figure desirable? Really, I be she could get a statue of Edward, full erect in the important places, and there'd be no difference in their relationship at all.
After throwing Bella onto his back, he runs off to the field where they'll be playing baseball. When she gets off his back, she falls onto her arse and Edward laughs at her. She gets pissy about this and he tells her not to be mad. I don't see why not. He just laughed at her. She wants to know how come he's the only one who can get mad. He tells her that, he doesn't get mad at her but himself. He could never get mad at her. "I'm never angry with you -how could I be? Brave, trusting... warm as you are."
Umm Ho-kay. I never realized that being warm was something you could use to not get someone mad at you. And I think he means physically warm as opposed to having a warm personality. As for trusting. Her trusting is very annoying. It's so blind that he could probably convince her to walk off a cliff with the promise that he'd catch her at the end, and she'd do it. I'd be angry at ending up with an unthinking puppet who did whatever I said. It'd be boring. Exchanges of opinion help make relationships interesting.
Bella asks Edward why he's angry at himself. I infuriate myself," he said gently. "The way I can't seem to keep from putting you in danger. My very existence puts you at risk. Sometimes I truly hate myself. I should be stronger, I should be able to ---" And then he says, "I love you," he said. "It's a poor excuse for what I'm doing, but it's still true."
I beat you. It's a poor excuse for what I do, but it's okay because I love you.
And they go off the join the rest of the family for baseball. Esme is playing referee so she sits on the sidelines with Bella. She tells Bella that she sees them all as her children which replaces the child that she lost. Seem, that's the reason why she went off the cliff (jumped and not fell). And they move on to more important things, Bella being good for Edward. He's finally found someone so that's great.
Finally they break the laws of physics by playing baseball. They're using an ordinary bat and ball. They, however, have spaced the distances between the bases, pitcher's mound and outfield so that they're larger than normal. The pitches are so fast that you can't see them and yet the bats and the balls don't get smashed into smittherines. There's no way in hell that the ball or baseball bat could survive such an impact that the vampires could give it, from what we've seen of their strength. Yet the balls are remarkably okay. They're not even shredded a little, and I know that balls have been shredded by normal humans pitching and hitting.
I suppose that doesn't count, because vampires throwing baseballs so fast you can't even see them and hitting them so hard it sounds like thunder is cool.
At one point, Jasper and Carlisle run into each other, When they collided, the sound was like the crash of two massive falling boulders. Is that even... if they're that tough... I don't even know how to put into words how wrong this is. It just doesn't make any logical sense. How can two people who used to be flesh... did they crystallize when they became a vampire? But that's impossible unless they become a fossil. Dead people rot, not become stone.
SUDDENLY Alice realizes that those vampires that were coming to visit? Are almost there. They heard the lot of them playing baseball and now want to play. This of course worries them all because of poor Bella. They decided to stay playing instead of leaving. See if they had decided to leave, then the other vampires would think that they were done with the game and go back towards the house. Edward could then take Bella safely back home. But then Bella couldn't be in danger. So they continue to play, Edward standing in front of Bella protectively to draw attention to her.
Logic, I see, plays very little part here.
Edward apologizes for exposing Bella to the danger which could have been avoided if they had all left.
oh well thou i dont really agree with you ... they are just fictional characters^^ its still fun to pretend they are reall ^^
I'm not sure what to say to that one yet.
Chapter seventeen, the Game pt two
After Charlie's "Fatherly Grilling" of Edward where upon they immediately become Chummy and make light about Bella, Edward and Bella leave. Edward brought Emmett's Jeep. Edward puts Bella in her seat which is an off-road harness. There are many straps and buckles. I am reminded of a baby seat. Bella has problems putting all the buckles together, so Edward does it for her with a sigh. He also sighed when he helped Bella into the Jeep. I'm not sure what sort of sigh it is though. Exasperated, fond, amused? Were they two different kinds of sighs? Sigh is such a blank word. It can me so many different things and with Edward who is also so blank, it's hard to know exactly what he means.
After sniffing and fondling her some, and not putting on his seat belt he mentions that they're going to have to run some of the way to get where they'll be playing. This of course makes Bella all queasy. Definitely a reasonable response. Edward finds it funny.
When they finally get to the point where Edward needs to take her on piggy back, Bella decides she doesn't want to go. Edward dislikes taking no for an answer.
"Sorry Bella, we have to go on foot from here."
"You know what? I'll just wait here."
"What happened to all your courage? You were extraordinary this morning."
"I haven't forgotten last time yet." Could it have been only yesterday?
He walked around to my side of the car in a blur. He started unbuckling me.
"I'll get those, you go on ahead," I protested.
"Hmmm...," he mused as he quickly finished. "It seems I'm going to have to tamper with your memory."
I'm sorry, whut? She's said no twice to him. TWICE. He doesn't listen to her. He's taking over for her and over-riding her wishes. Not only that but he says that he's going to tamper with her mind. Straight out, not at all in a whisper, but where she can hear without straining herself. And yet we're supposed to believe that he cares about her. I suppose it could be argued that he doesn't want her to be afraid and thus by messing with her mind, fixes that, but he should have the patience to deal with her in proper normal human terms. If she doesn't want to piggy back, then they should walk, even if it'll take them longer to get there. He needs to be sensitive to her needs.
To fix it, he ... well... he fondles her. Kissing and touching her while saying that would he do anything to hurt her to get her to admit that she won't be hurt. Why yes, that is direct manipulation. Which, had this book been about Edward being an evil bastard, be perfectly acceptable. However this is supposed to be him being romantic. And yes, the subtle kissing and touching could be considered romantic and seductive, it's just the circumstances that they are presented in takes it away.
Meyers seems to have an uncanny knack for this. She presents situations that should be considered romantic or sexy or erotic but it comes off as abusive because of previous statements, the "modifying of her memory".
And Bella gives in.
"Would I let a tree hurt you?" his lips barely brushed against my trembling lower lip."
"No," I breathed. I knew there was a second part to my brilliant defense, but I could quite call it back.
"You see," he said, his lips moving against mine. "There's nothing to be afraid of, is there?"
"No," I sighed, giving up.
Why does she have to give in? When has he ever given in? It doesn't make her a strong heroine like she's supposed to be, but spineless.
They fully kiss and there the line, "I was suddenly welded to his stone figure". This sounds like it was stolen from LKH. And how is a stone figure desirable? Really, I be she could get a statue of Edward, full erect in the important places, and there'd be no difference in their relationship at all.
After throwing Bella onto his back, he runs off to the field where they'll be playing baseball. When she gets off his back, she falls onto her arse and Edward laughs at her. She gets pissy about this and he tells her not to be mad. I don't see why not. He just laughed at her. She wants to know how come he's the only one who can get mad. He tells her that, he doesn't get mad at her but himself. He could never get mad at her. "I'm never angry with you -how could I be? Brave, trusting... warm as you are."
Umm Ho-kay. I never realized that being warm was something you could use to not get someone mad at you. And I think he means physically warm as opposed to having a warm personality. As for trusting. Her trusting is very annoying. It's so blind that he could probably convince her to walk off a cliff with the promise that he'd catch her at the end, and she'd do it. I'd be angry at ending up with an unthinking puppet who did whatever I said. It'd be boring. Exchanges of opinion help make relationships interesting.
Bella asks Edward why he's angry at himself. I infuriate myself," he said gently. "The way I can't seem to keep from putting you in danger. My very existence puts you at risk. Sometimes I truly hate myself. I should be stronger, I should be able to ---" And then he says, "I love you," he said. "It's a poor excuse for what I'm doing, but it's still true."
I beat you. It's a poor excuse for what I do, but it's okay because I love you.
And they go off the join the rest of the family for baseball. Esme is playing referee so she sits on the sidelines with Bella. She tells Bella that she sees them all as her children which replaces the child that she lost. Seem, that's the reason why she went off the cliff (jumped and not fell). And they move on to more important things, Bella being good for Edward. He's finally found someone so that's great.
Finally they break the laws of physics by playing baseball. They're using an ordinary bat and ball. They, however, have spaced the distances between the bases, pitcher's mound and outfield so that they're larger than normal. The pitches are so fast that you can't see them and yet the bats and the balls don't get smashed into smittherines. There's no way in hell that the ball or baseball bat could survive such an impact that the vampires could give it, from what we've seen of their strength. Yet the balls are remarkably okay. They're not even shredded a little, and I know that balls have been shredded by normal humans pitching and hitting.
I suppose that doesn't count, because vampires throwing baseballs so fast you can't even see them and hitting them so hard it sounds like thunder is cool.
At one point, Jasper and Carlisle run into each other, When they collided, the sound was like the crash of two massive falling boulders. Is that even... if they're that tough... I don't even know how to put into words how wrong this is. It just doesn't make any logical sense. How can two people who used to be flesh... did they crystallize when they became a vampire? But that's impossible unless they become a fossil. Dead people rot, not become stone.
SUDDENLY Alice realizes that those vampires that were coming to visit? Are almost there. They heard the lot of them playing baseball and now want to play. This of course worries them all because of poor Bella. They decided to stay playing instead of leaving. See if they had decided to leave, then the other vampires would think that they were done with the game and go back towards the house. Edward could then take Bella safely back home. But then Bella couldn't be in danger. So they continue to play, Edward standing in front of Bella protectively to draw attention to her.
Logic, I see, plays very little part here.
Edward apologizes for exposing Bella to the danger which could have been avoided if they had all left.
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Date: 2008-10-10 08:51 pm (UTC)"No, it really isn't all that fun to pretend they are real," and then send her links to news reports of women who suffered terrible fates at the hands of hyper controlling boyfriends and lovers.
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Date: 2008-10-11 07:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-10 10:17 pm (UTC)*headdesk headdesk headdesk*
Ow. And it's still stupid beyond all reason.
This book is like those horrible fanfictions that turn up in places like fanfiction rants. The author seems to have no idea, none, not even the tiniest glimmer of an idea that the relationship she's written is abusive and creepy, not romantic. Now, if she'd intentionally written about a naive, rather detatched, possibly psychologically disturbed teen falling for a creepy, abusive vampire, it might have been a good book. However, accidentally doing so is horrific.
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Date: 2008-10-12 02:28 am (UTC)Yes. Actually, accidentally doing so and not realizing and marketing it as romance it is horrific. The rest is just a sad mistake.
I RAMBLE and click eggies!
Date: 2008-10-11 12:32 am (UTC)His wife is also immortal. She's a spirit of fire and nightmares, though she was raised by a mortal (technically she was kidnapped by a well-meaning mage, who simply wanted to summon something, and then he adopted her when he realized she was just a child. Talk about complicated childhoods and child raising, since she's capable of eating anything that's flammable.) XD
Okay, so my entire idea is bizarre. Maybe even unnecessarily complicated. But I like mine much better. o.o
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Date: 2008-10-11 07:26 pm (UTC)Re: I RAMBLE and click eggies!
Date: 2008-10-12 02:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-11 03:10 am (UTC)Actually it would be a better relationship because the statue couldn't abuse her.
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Date: 2008-10-11 01:08 pm (UTC)... I like this statue plan.
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Date: 2008-10-11 05:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-11 07:20 pm (UTC)From one review: "You may wish she had loftier goals and a mind of her own, but these are fairy tales, and as a steadfast lover in the Disney princess mold, Bella has a certain saccharine appeal."
Ironically, the Disney princesses I've seen have far more backbone than Bella.
From here (bold emphasis mine): "Edward's habit of constantly pulling her onto his lap or having her ride on his back further emphasize her childlike qualities. This bland passivity has been excused as a way of allowing female readers to project themselves into Bella's place."
So people just want to turn off their brains and live for the fucking? Were I to write in praise and encouragement of hyper-submissiveness, I'd be more honest about it: fetish outfits that draw attention to specific body parts, various bondage furniture designed to hold flesh dolls in erotic poses while tonight's party enjoys them, overt brainwashing complete with drugs and instructional pornography that explicitly tells subjects to be nothing more than sex toys, stuff like that.
This will like repel most readers, averse as they are to such things as "initiative," "forethought," and "consequences".
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Date: 2008-10-11 11:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-10-18 10:14 pm (UTC)YES! LOL! http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=60 (http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=60)
"They sparkle because they have turned to substance that is somewhat like diamond. Their bodies have hardened, frozen into a kind of living stone. Each little cell in their skin has become a separate facet that reflects the light. These facets have a prism-like quality, they throw rainbows as they glitter."
Each cell is a diamond. LOLOLOLOL!
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