Kippur's Continuing Coverage...

[kippurbird]

So, posted Edward's Seduction up on DeviantArt. Got some of the usual sort of replies of "I like it" and "This is SO the real Edward" etc. Voices of reasonable people.

Then! I got this one:

Well i really really liked Twilight and though i dont agree with you i like the way this story was constructed ... but come on you cant blame Edward he has waited like over 100 years for bella to come around and he does have a right to be overprotective after what with James Victoria and the Volturi... but i think the fictional love between them is real ^^ cuz they stick to gether through it all nd you know Bella would be stalkr like if she where the super stealthy Vampire ^^

I really want to shake people sometimes. Really.

Exactly why does waiting over a hundred years exclude you from responsibility of acting properly? And how is stalking someone acting over protective? Especially before they know they need to at over protective. Etc.

My response:

I'm glad you liked the story, even if you didn't like the way I portrayed them.

But, yes I do think I can blame Edward. He didn't have to wait a hundred years. And even if he did wait, there's over protective and there's what he did. Not only that, but he was doing it BEFORE the Volturi and James showed up. He basically violated her privacy for his own wants and whims. Which is akin to rape.

Perhaps to bring this point around, would you mind if it was say Mike or Tyler doing the sitting in the bedroom watching her?

And even if Bella was a super stealthy vampire and did that to Edward it'd still be wrong. It'd still be a violation of Edward's privacy.

Yet to hear a response back.

Comments

[jeriendhal.livejournal.com]

Wait, wait, you've got a DA account? What's your handle over there? Mine is Sir-Talen.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

*grins* The surprisingly original "Kippur" . XD

[authoressarktos.livejournal.com]

Exactly why does waiting over a hundred years exclude you from responsibility of acting properly?

Oh, well, he's been such a good boy. Stayed a virgin and everything. Therefore, we should cut him a little slack. =_='

...Jeez, and here I never thought I'd have a reason to say something like that. XD

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Slack or snack? =D

[authoressarktos.livejournal.com]

Snack, of course. :P

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Yes. He must be hungry for such a ... pretty girl. He needs to satisfy those hungers.

[falconwhitaker.livejournal.com]

*headdesks until the stupid doesn't hurt any more*

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

*gives pillow*

[dragovianknight.livejournal.com]

I really want to shake people sometimes. Really.

Shake them? I want to beat them with a dictionary.

[kippurbird.livejournal.com]

Shake them until their neck snaps.

[kerame.livejournal.com]

The fact that Edward is a 108-year-old virgin who's obsessed with a teenager, just makes him even creepier IMO. That was the first thing I heard about the series and the first thing that turned me off to it, even before I heard about the stalking. I don't even understand how the relationship with Edward is "romantic", since they both become instantly obsessed with each other over things which are completely superficial: his looks and her smell.

He's a 108 year old pervert who gets high off of stalking, sniffing, and controlling a teenage girl, yet neither Bella, her creator, nor her fans seem to find this the least bit disturbing.

If Edward looked half as old as he actually was, or were less than absolute physical perfection would all these teens and their even more pathetic mothers be so infatuated with him? These books have the worst messages of any series I've heard of since Laurell Hamilton's, and at least those aren't considered YA.

I can't get over the fact that so many female writers in the romance genre continually put out books which glorify incredibly toxic relationships. It's particularly clear in love-triangle situations where the male character who loves the woman for her personality and treats her like a human being, is always dumped in favor of the creepy, controlling "alpha" male.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

... That brings up a very good question. Why IS this stuff considered YA? Just because there's no real sex until the series is closer to the end? Because Bella is supposedly a teenager? Because kids have less of a cultivated taste?

I haven't read many romance novels (especially nothing recent) but I do know a lot of new romance coming out these days is of the supernatural nature. It has become quite a trend, in my opinion. (Though I can't blame them... shapeshifters are one of the things I'd consider hot but those books are still mostly the same formula. Most romance tends to follow a formula.)

[(Anonymous)]

If he was a 108 year old vampire virgin in love with an nonagenarian, that would be a twist. It probably wouldn't sell as well in YA, though. Maybe in large print?

[authoressarktos.livejournal.com]

See, that sounds interesting, and it makes more sense.

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Hah hah! I agree with you both. Especially since it might actually be about love instead of obsessive and sudden lust. XD

[the-norseman.livejournal.com]

If I may hazard a guess romance novels are fantasies for women, and many women like violent, controlling alpha males?

[authoressarktos.livejournal.com]

Most women are weird, then. I've never liked anything like that, and I don't get why people WOULD. :\

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

Not quite. It's the intensity of the subject matter. Most women love porn that isn't quite porn. It's the thought of those strong emotions controlling both characters. The problem is, they don't see how inappropriately that has been applied to the situation, given how Meyers was writing it. :P

[shmeiliarockie.livejournal.com]

What really gets me is the sheer acrobatics these girls will go to to defend Edward's atrocious behavior.

I spend a lot of time on this thread on Gaia called "Edward Cullen - Abusive Boyfriend" (http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/recycle-bin/edward-cullen-abusive-boyfriend-eclipse-spoilers/t.26745143_1/). I've run up against two girls who bend over backwards trying to get me to see that the things he does are perfectly all right.

(I'm sorry I can't quote the following individual posts, so you'll have to read the whole page of arguments if you're interested. It let's you see the stupid quite clearly, though:)

First there's laxxx10, who made excuses for Edward pulling Bella bodily across the street and forcing her to ride home with him through threats of chasing her down and dragging her back if she tried to run (http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/recycle-bin/edward-cullen-abusive-boyfriend-eclipse-spoilers/t.26745143_1561/), (during the "Blood Type" chapter when she was woosy from the smell of blood) insisting it was for Bella's own good.

Then I ran up against Lillewyn, who, when confronted with the fact that Edward sat in Bella's rocking chair and watched her sleep without her knowledge, said "Where else would he sit, on her bed?" (http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/recycle-bin/edward-cullen-abusive-boyfriend-eclipse-spoilers/t.26745143_1606/)

When I called them both on their constant excusing and dismissing, laxxx10 pulled the "well, I was abused and I don't see any problem with it" card, while Lillewyn demonstrated a near sociopathic lack of empathy for victims of both stalking and abuse.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?



Edit: The Mike defense works practically every time! ^__^

[dove-cg.livejournal.com]

I may have to look at that later, when I have more time. At least you're wracking up a little gold when arguing with them. That makes it even more worthwhile. ;D

*LOL* Why does the Mike defense work so well? That makes no sense! Well, I guess it does. Clearly they adore Edward and don't want to hear what others say against him but... still. :D