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Chapters A Maze of Opposition, Hanging by a Thread


Summary

These two chapters by far are the most pointless that I've seen in the book. They're basically setting up Nasuada as the leader of the Varden and showing what she has to deal with. They're supposed to make her look like a leader and able of making decisions as well as the troubles that the Varden are facing.

We begin with Nasuada holding court. Two men are before her. One stole and ate thirteen chickens in four days. She comments about how it's an unlucky number, thirteen is. And I know that thirteen is an unlucky number in our world, but there is no reason why it has to be an unlucky number in Alagesia. This feels like he's using the number thirteen because of the implications that it has on our world, but there hasn't been any sort of indication here that would indicate that it's bad here. But in any case, the guy who has been accused of stealing the chickens does not deny it.

Which then kills any sort of potential tension in the scene. If you're going to be doing a scene between three characters. You need tension, something to keep the reader interested in what's going to happen. But if you have everyone agreeing to everything, the scene becomes dull to read. After all, who wants to read a scene about people agreeing with each other?

"You did something wrong."

"Yes I did."

"Okay then. I'm glad we got that settled."

See? There's no where for the scene to go. It just ends. At least in normal books. Here it kind of drags on. They talk about why the guy stole the chickens. (Because he was hungry and didn't have the money to pay for them.) Which leads Nasuada to think about how poor the Varden is and how everyone is stretched thin for money. She makes him pay for the chickens, but not at the chicken's price but at what the thief can afford. The chicken owner protests that he's not getting paid market value but then when Nasuada says he's lucky he's getting what he's getting, he stops. Though what I what I would do is make the chicken thief pay full price for the chickens and even if he couldn't pay it right away, make him do it anyway. Allowing him to pay within his means isn't a punishment. He stole something. It's against the law, he should pay for it. In fact what should of happened is that he should have paid for the chickens and something more to compensate the chicken owner for his loss. What Paolini is trying to show here is that Nasuada is a fair and just ruler trying to look out for the people and their interests, but instead what she comes off as a ruler who doesn't know how to mete out punishment. What she did wasn't fair at all to the victim.

After the chicken people go away, Nasuada calls her maid/secretary Farica and tells her to have the chicken thief reassigned and make sure he has full rations. Apparently he was a quarry worker and not on full rations. Which is idiotic. If you're going to have people doing heavy labor, they damn well better be on full rations. But apparently such logical things don't work in Eragon land.

Farica then tells her that king Orrin wants to see her. So, they go visit the king. The king is a budding chemist. No really.

Mentally bracing herself, she entered the laboratory with Farica. A maze of tables laden with a fantastic array of alembics, beakers, and retorts confronted them, like a glass thicker waiting to snag their dresses on any one of its myriad fragile branches. The heavy odor of metallic vapors made Nasuada's eyes water. Lifting their hems off the floor, she and Farica wended their way in single file toward the back of the room, past hourglasses and scales, arcane tomes bound with black iron, dwarven astrolabes and piles of phosphorescent crystal prisms that produced fitful blue flashes. (page 315)


Nasuada is apparently on equal rank of a king. I didn't realize that rebel leaders were on equal standing with a king. Apparently Paolini isn't certain as to what sort of organization the Varden is. First they were a group of rebels founded by Brom to fight against Galby. But then they have an inherited leader. There is no basis for her to be on equal ranking, especially since he's sponsoring and helping her group survive.

Orrin shows off some neat tricks... like being able to blow smoke out his ear. Which isn't really a good thing. He's also discovered a vacuum, by using a quicksilver experiment. But apparently the elves already knew about a vacuum. So basically the humans aren't inventing anything really on their own, they're confirming what the elves already know. So the humans aren't even allowed to discover things on their own. Human ingenuity has been thrown out the window. They're just playing catch up to the elves. Though Orrin seem the sort to invent gun powder. He probably will, in the third book.

Nasuada chastises Orrin for playing around with quicksilver and smoke through his ears when he's supposed to be doing important kingly things and isn't there a war with Galby too? And he tells her she needs to relax or she's going to go crazy. They talk some political stuff about how Eragon has thrown everything into chaos. And when is Galby going to attack? And how the Varden need more money. Orrin suggests that they try and earn it. Nasuada doesn't like this idea. God forbid she actually have to support her own people. She seems to have this idea that the Varden should be given what they need because they're fighting against Galby. Which isn't at all fair, after all Sudra is also apparently fighting against Galby as well and Orrin has an entire country to run and finance. Nasuada leaves in a snit fit knocking over a beaker spilling some contents on her dress.

When she gets back to her rooms, her dress is starting to dissolve. She gets it off quickly and they manage to save most of the dress. Nasuada wails about not having a nice dress anymore to wear to court. They take apart the ruined dress and she rips some of the lace.

She then has a brilliant idea. The magic users could make lace (which is very expensive) and they could sell it to people in the Empire cheaply. Thus they would make money. Oh there's some other stuff about how she doesn't like magic and that Galby really needs to die. But she apparently thinks that by selling lots of lace cheaply she'll make a fortune to help fund the Varden. And really that's all there is to this chapter. Oh and they should try and come up with magical ways to help the Varden. Why they weren't doing this before, I don't know.

I almost fell asleep doing these two chapters. Watching paint dry would have been more entertaining. I could have gotten high from the fumes.

Date: 2007-04-15 08:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] christinaathena.livejournal.com
Heck, as far as I know, 13 being unlucky is exclusively a European thing. There's nothing special about that number in East Asia, for example.

Man, that really does sound dull.

And apparently he rather fails at economics, too. If they started mass-producing lace, it would cause the price to fall dramatically, and that source of funding would dry up. And in the meanwhile, the non-magical lace industry would collapse due to their inability to compete.

(And why didn't anyone ever think of using magical mass production before anyways?)

Date: 2007-04-15 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dryaunda.livejournal.com
The price of lace won't drop right away, the known world doesn't have to know that it's being cheaply mass-produced. Once it finds out though, yeah, there should be a disturbance in the (market) force. People should start asking questions about magical mass production.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wayoffbase.livejournal.com
I'm sure there's a bit about that later on, where someone says to Nasuada "You can't do that, Surda's economy will fail" and she's all "Too bad. Orrin won't give me the money so I'll make his economy fail as punishment."

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Date: 2007-04-15 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Do you expect him to actually succeed at something? Again he comes up with a good idea but fails in the execution of it by not thinking through to the ultimate end.

Date: 2007-04-15 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wariena.livejournal.com
No taxes, thieves practically rewarded... this kingdom's gonna be screwed by the time this Trilogy's through.

Argh, I just hate how the elves are like the ultimate species. He's just undermined the entire human race to make his precious elves seem speshul. It's... mildly insulting. XD

Date: 2007-04-15 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Only mildly insulting? As a human I find it very insulting. I'm surprised the humans are worshiping the elves and asking them for their next innovation.

And the Varden really need to get a new leader if this is how she's doing judgments and business.

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Date: 2007-04-15 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dryaunda.livejournal.com
Nasuada is now my favorite character, as she's the only one who came up with a good idea.

Apparently he was a quarry worker and not on full rations. Which is idiotic. If you're going to have people doing heavy labor, they damn well better be on full rations. But apparently such logical things don't work in Eragon land.

In p.93-99 of The Medieval Machine, Jean Gimpel describes how medieval miners were lavished with rights. Given Paolini's SCA-kind of interests and great amount of free time, why didn't he research this?

Date: 2007-04-15 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
n p.93-99 of The Medieval Machine, Jean Gimpel describes how medieval miners were lavished with rights. Given Paolini's SCA-kind of interests and great amount of free time, why didn't he research this?

I'm sorry Paolini do research?

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Date: 2007-04-15 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wayoffbase.livejournal.com
I don't think these chapters even needed to be in the book. They don't seem to link up with anything else in the plot. What the Varden are doing isn't really important, for the most part. Especially not when all they do is discuss chickens, chemistry, and lace. They could have been cut completely.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
They don't really. They're like filler chapters. He was trying to show how Nasauda is a brilliant leader, but that could have been show in other ways while moving the plot forward.

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Date: 2007-04-15 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsong24.livejournal.com
I actually thought that scene where Nasuada thinks up a way to support the Varden financially was pretty neat. I mean, she was trying to think of a logical, effective course of action for once, and came up with a solution that would help boost the Varden's economey. Depending on how cheaply it goes (i.e., a wealthy farmer's wife could just about afford a foot or so), they could make a reasonable income over a period of time without sending the market for lace crashing to the ground.

Though that does rely on them being careful.

Her sense of justice, though...um? I agree with you there -if the thief can't afford to pay, he should have had to make compensation another way. Maybe by doing labour in his spare time for the victim.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
I think my only problem with the lace scene is how it's executed, ie it didn't need to be done like this, it could have been brought in some other way.

And yes, the justice scene was just idiotic.

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Date: 2007-04-15 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
And I know that thirteen is an unlucky number in our world, but there is no reason why it has to be an unlucky number in Alagesia.

Just wanted to say that in the Hobbit it was there too. I'm not sure if Tolkien ever explained it either, other than it sort of helped his plot to function.

But really, what period of time was the guy eating those chickens in? That's a lot of chickens. ;P
From: [identity profile] christinaathena.livejournal.com
Yeah, really, that's three chickens a day! Maybe he has a very very large family ... ?

Date: 2007-04-15 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] berseker.livejournal.com
Aw, I thought the purple-eyed-blessed-child would show up.

*is disappointed*

Chemistry? Yeah, sounds like he will bring more moddern stuff to Alagaesia, but at least he´s foreshadowing first. In a very obvious way, but still.

The thief thing is interesting. Next time I feel like writing about an incompetent leader, I might borrow this idea ^_^

Date: 2007-04-15 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
That's next chapter.

And yes, that sounds like a brilliant idea.

Date: 2007-04-15 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delphinapterus.livejournal.com
So there's no barter system to supplement now that money is running short - that's a little strange.

The Varden are annoying me. They don't act like a rebel group - instead they are acting like a seperate country that just happens to be inside another country. Then they expect Surda to support them because they are rebels even though it's their prescene and actions that are straining the relationship between Surda and Algesia.

The lace idea makes me cringe. The point is to produce the lace cheaply but sell it at the high price and make sure not to sell so much that the market gets glutted and the price collapses. I get why PaoPao wants them to sell the lace cheap - its so everybody can have the good life in lace but that's not very practical.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
I don't know what the Varden are. They can't seem to make up their mind on what they are. It's utterly ridiculous.

I really don't know what to make of the lace scene. Honestly. It seems like a good idea, but off somehow.

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Date: 2007-04-15 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karma-kalisutah.livejournal.com
Though Orrin seem the sort to invent gun powder. He probably will, in the third book.

That actually has the potential to be interesting. More medieval-style fantasy worlds ought to experiment with the implications of the development of modern technologies. One of the few things that's off about Tolkien's Middle Earth is that over the course of thousands of years, there is zero technological development. Not realistic at all.

Of course, given that this is Paolini, he'll probably screw it up and squander all potential.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
It could be very interesting. But as you say, Paolini will probably squander it.

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Date: 2007-04-15 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reverie-shadow.livejournal.com
Ugh. After reading this I don't blame you for trying to stay awake throughout these chapters. It's fine to have a little interlude, I guess, but the way it's gone about here is ridiculous. Plus having an interlude that goes on for two chapters seems to be unnecessary to me.

Note: Interludes to me are parts that don't have any significance to the plot.

As for unlucky numbers.... You know, I never figured out why thirteen was such an unlucky number. I know why the Japanese fear the number four so bad. It being because "four" sounds like "death" in Japanese ("shi" is four and "shin" is death). A lot of buildings in Japan doesn't have a fourth floor because of this superstition. There are also some places that'll skip room numbers with four on them. It's interesting, to be that terrified of a number that people go to that extent to avoid it.

Of course the elves discovered that there was a vacuum first. Because they're elves, and they're just that cool. Or something like that.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
It was terribly difficult and I had trouble paying attention to it.

The elves are just that Speshul.

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Date: 2007-04-15 07:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sonic-sues.livejournal.com
Though Orrin seem the sort to invent gun powder. He probably will, in the third book.

Knowing Paolini, if the humans develop gunpowder, the elves will take on the role of self-righteous anti-gun nut hippies.

Date: 2007-04-15 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Of course they will. After all it'd be subverting nature or something like that.

Date: 2007-04-16 12:51 am (UTC)
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Date: 2007-04-16 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loth440.livejournal.com
13 chickens in 4 days? I would hope he was he feeding a family, that's alot of food.

Date: 2007-04-16 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Nope. He ate them all himself.

Date: 2007-04-16 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gjohnsonkoehn.livejournal.com
They talk about why the guy stole the chickens. (Because he was hungry and didn't have the money to pay for them.) Which leads Nasuada to think about how poor the Varden is and how everyone is stretched thin for money.

Y'know, it's not exactly cheap, raising livestock. Everything you feed an animal is something that could have gone to feed a human instead, if not directly than as an opportunity cost. That is, you can grow something that will feed a human, or something that will feed an animal, but not both. If a guy has thirteen chickens he can write off at a huge discount and survive (if not necessarily prosper) then, clearly, either the Varden do have a fair amount of wealth kicking around (albeit not necessarily of the monetary form) or they're just a ridiculously stratified society, and maybe instead of screwing one individual chicken farmer and then conspiring to collapse the lace industry, Nasuada should deal with that, first.

As for the lace thing, if you can magically create things out of nothing, or out of inferior elements, then what need do you have for trade and the capitalist economy. The replicator spells the doom of the traditional, scarcity-driven market system, damnit!

Date: 2007-04-16 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
As for the lace thing, if you can magically create things out of nothing, or out of inferior elements, then what need do you have for trade and the capitalist economy. The replicator spells the doom of the traditional, scarcity-driven market system, damnit!

Because it's demeaning to use magic for such purposes as for the betterment of mankind.

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Date: 2007-04-29 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsong24.livejournal.com
Highly belated and random comment, but I found an actual example of a good way to act in the theft situation...

Two men are arguing over a chicken. (They are both soldiors, marching to a battle, and have been marching for maybe a few weeks.) The chicken, as it turns out, was stolen from a woman. The king, who's passing judgement, asks whether they thought about the loss of the woman who had the chicken stolen. He then demands that they must each pay half recompensation to the woman, and that they spend the next week digging the privies together. (Moving army, new toilet ditches.)

/That's/ how Nasuada should have acted.
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