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ChapterPlancar Valley

Characters: Eragon, Sloan, (the butcher), Horst (the blacksmith), Katrina (the blacksmith's daughter) and Garrow, (the Uncle)
Shiny magical objects in Eragon's possession Large Blue Stone.


summary

Here we learn a bit more about the Spine, the name of the mountains that Eragon is in. Here we learn that they are clouded in misfortune and bad luck. "Few people could stay in the Spine with out suffering an accident. Eragon was one of those few - not through any particular gift, it seemed to him, but because of persistent vigilance and sharp reflexes" (page nine). What bothers me here, though it could only be me, is that Paolini is indicating that a boy is more capable than a full grown man in woodsman abilities. He is more vigilant and has sharper reflexes than, say, a trained ranger would have. (Not that there are rangers here, but if there were...) His skills are are sharper than someone who is older than him and would have had more training would be. After all he is one of the "few". He probably could have only been going out in them for maybe two or three years, not being old enough to do it before. Beginning Rangers (according to the D&D player's guide) start around age fifteen. Now, while he might have the hunting and tracking skills, but I don't think he'd have the skills needed to survive in a people eating mountain range.

Maybe all the spooky things stayed away from him.

From the mountains we go into the village of Carvahall and we meet the butcher Sloan. Sloan is supposed to be a bad person. He treats Eragon with disdain. And apparently only cares for his daughter. Eragon hopes to buy meat from him... with no money. Instead Eragon hopes to trade with the stone. Sloan has no idea how much this stone is worth and if he can sell or anything, so he offers a low price for it. It's safer for him. Of course this is horrible of him. But since Eragon needs the meat he lets it go at that low price. (Mind you he's letting the butcher have the mysterious potentially evil stone... for meat).

But when Sloan learns where the stone came from, he refuses to take it. We learn that Sloan lost his wife in the Spine. Thus he'd naturally not trust anything from the Spine. But still he's a horrible person for not letting Eargon have the meat.

Eragon is rescued by the blacksmith, Hurst. Hurst is a good guy. We know this because he generously buys Eragon all the meat he needs and then gives Eragon an apprenticeship. He also likes Eragon, which is another thing that makes him a good guy.

He goes home (and into a rather large house, if he has own bedroom, which is something that only rich people could afford to have, what with heating costs and things like that, but apparently they're poor since they can't afford to buy meat for the winter, and speaking of which, there's no way Eragon could have carried enough meat to last them the winter on his back...) and talks to his uncle. His uncle agrees with him about how Sloan was a bad person for not taking the stone.

Thus, it's set that people who like Eragon are good and people who don't like him are bad. This is a classic Mary Sue trait. One of many that he'll probably rack up as we go along.

Date: 2007-01-15 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] -youngblood-.livejournal.com
"His skills are are sharper than someone who is older than him and would have had more training would be."

You'll find that this is a consistent theme throughout the book (and series).

Date: 2007-01-15 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
I've found that it's a common enough theme in most Mary and Gary stories. Both published fiction and fan fiction. It just depends on how ridiculously over powered they are.

I now have a desire to write a paper comparing Harry Potter and Eragon as characters.

*smacks bunny*

I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Harry didn't seem to be as much of a Gary Stu in some ways. He technically wasn't truly impressive at anything, other than maybe the Patronus thing, and generally had to have other people solve the problems for him (because he sure as hell didn't know what to do other than to whine.) Of course, him having more active responses and making actual mistakes improved in the later books. Not that I'm trying to defend him as being a good character, necessarily. He certainly has plenty of the Stu traits and I frankly would love to see any comparisons between Eragon, Harry, and other Stu-like (and non-Stu-like) fantasy characters. I'd love to see some comparisons with Pern too. :3

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Well Harry isn't a Gary Stu while Eragon is, which is what the comparison would be about. What makes one a Stu and the other not. It's the fact that Harry isn't perfect at everything that makes him more realistic.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Eh, Harry is still a bit of a Stu in my opinion, though at present I can't think of anything off the top of my head (probably because I'm a dummy but oh well.) He does have a -lot- more realism than Eragon, though, that's for sure. :)

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
All fantasy heroes and heroines are a bit on the Sue and Stu side it's just a matter of if the non stuy stuff out weighs the Suey stuff.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Most of them are, yes, as the very nature of the genre itself pushes towards miraculous. So it's certainly true that it is a matter of how well-crafted they are and if the author doesn't favor them too heavily. This factor is also shifted more towards Sue-tendencies the younger the intended age-group gets. But anyway! I still would love to see you write a thesis comparing the more rounded Harry with the awful perfection of Eragon. Don't let my quibbling bother you in that regard. :)

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
I may or may not write it depending on if I can find the time to do it. That's my only problem.

Time.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. That is an issue. But at least you're doing the chapter-by-chapter sporking so far! That's still pretty awesome. :D

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 06:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Yeah. That's easy though, the material just sort of bounces off the page. Takes me about fifteen minutes to do a chapter. Writing essays take more planning.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Understood. I'll take what I can get. *still giggling over the new entry involving chapter three* :D

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Chapter three was a gem. A true gem.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 07:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dove-cg.livejournal.com
Yes, it was. So little logic and so much humor combined for teh WIN. ;D

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-01-16 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
There needs to be a Brom is really Gally icon.

Re: I don't know...

Date: 2007-02-11 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiyami.livejournal.com
You forget Quidditch. He had never flown on a broom before the first lesson at Hogwarts (unlike students who came from Wizards houses who had probably at least all tried their older siblings / parents ones at least once, if it's like cars...). Yet that very day, he was able to catch back the thingy ball that Draco had thrown, and so became the Griffyndor Catcher. First year student.
Now that doesn't happen every year, I'm sure.

Date: 2007-01-15 08:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] behyper.livejournal.com
He goes home (and into a rather large house, if he has own bedroom, which is something that only rich people could afford to have, what with heating costs and things like that, but apparently they're poor since they can't afford to buy meat for the winter, and speaking of which, there's no way Eragon could have carried enough meat to last them the winter on his back...)

I never realized that! Then again, I was still mulling over the whole Sloan incident. =D

Date: 2007-01-15 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
That Sloan incident was really something wasn't it?

Eragon: Here I want to give you a potentially dangerous magical artifact I found in a Very Bad Place.

Sloan: NO! BAD! NO!

Eragon: Ah, you've just proven that you're evil by not accepting my dangerous magical artifact.

Hurst: Why aren't taking this potentially dangerous magical object? I'll give you money for it.

Sloan: *like a whiny teenager* Because...

Hurst: Never mind, I'l show that I'm good by buying Eragon meat.

Date: 2007-01-15 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] behyper.livejournal.com
LMAO at your little summary. I never did quite understand why Sloan was supposed to be so "bad."

Date: 2007-01-15 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
He doesn't like Eragon, Duh.

Date: 2007-01-15 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omfgsiriusly.livejournal.com
....

*brain explodes* Is it just me or am I getting a bad feeling about this book? This character is really turning into a dreck.

Half-way I was wondering about Eragon selling the stone - since he's probably an ignorant fool - I think that it's quite rational (but I'm very very much confused about ... everything).

How come Hurst is so rich? How come he's buying meat for Eragon...he's VERY generous.

Hmmm but if the story is written in Eragon's perspective...isn't it a bit normal. But I guess Sloan caring of his daughter makes him a good person in a way...personal experiences may make him look grouchy.

I haven't read the book so I don't know. argh sorry I'm rambling...but what annoys me is his uncle AGREEING that the butcher is evil...

what a dreck...I think that I'm going to take an english major too. :P

Date: 2007-01-15 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
No. It's not you. *mad grin*

Eragon can not be an ignorant fool because he's the Hero. Hero's are not ignorant fools. Besides he knows about the dangers that the Spine hold. *sage nodding* He actually has, in the previous chapter a thought about how this might be a potentially dangerous magical object. Yet he still decides to sell it for meat.

He really mustn't like Sloan.

English lit is fun!

Date: 2007-01-17 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] omfgsiriusly.livejournal.com
to make it more tolerable...let's pretend that his ignorance is a 'flaw'

oh I don't know this is mind-twisting...

English lit is love!

Date: 2007-01-19 03:23 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hero's are not ignorant fools.

Well, other than the ones who are. (Garion comes to mind.)

Date: 2007-01-15 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelittlebudgie.livejournal.com
You know, I really think this chapter should be called "Meat and its relavance to your good/evil allignment." Or, as brevity is the soul of wit, "Meat."

Date: 2007-01-15 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Ooooh... I like that!

(ps. Love your user name)

Date: 2007-01-16 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thelittlebudgie.livejournal.com
Thankya kindly. I tend to end up with bizzare budgies as pets (one thought he was human, the current one is either a goth or an evil overlord of some sort), but I love them dearly.

Date: 2007-01-17 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Our budgies are also bizzare. Our current one thinks he's human. My user name is taken from our second budgie named Yom Kippur.

Date: 2007-01-15 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the7bells.livejournal.com
Maybe all the spooky things stayed away from him

I know I would. I just love Sues, don't you?

Date: 2007-01-15 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
LOVE YOUR ICON. *huggles Pinky*

Yes. They're so much fun to kill.

Date: 2007-01-15 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the7bells.livejournal.com
My sister didn't know who they were. Pinky and the Brain. The little uns don't know who they are! *small sob*

Kill/maim/mock. Indeed, what else are they good for? Wait-you can start fires with them too, nevermind.

Date: 2007-01-17 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
They're out on DVD now! You can expose her to the wonders of Taking over the world every night!

Date: 2007-01-17 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the7bells.livejournal.com
I know! I'm going to have to get them. There is no love like Pinky and the Brain love.
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Date: 2007-01-18 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
There was mention of a hallway. *shrugs*
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Date: 2007-01-18 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
Nothing wrong with counter nitpicking. It encourages discussion of the text which helps us understand it much better.

Came from Marysues comm

Date: 2007-01-19 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grandfunk.livejournal.com

Eragon is rescued by the blacksmith, Hurst. Hurst is a good guy. We know this because he generously buys Eragon all the meat he needs and then gives Eragon an apprenticeship. He also likes Eragon, which is another thing that makes him a good guy


Hurst seems...too nice. I got a weird I'm-buying-you-things-with-hopes-that-I-can-get-in-your-pants-later-on vibe. Tell me I'm not the only one >.>....

Date: 2007-01-19 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gjohnsonkoehn.livejournal.com
If Eragon is such an uber-hunter, why can't he get his own damn meat? I mean, he could trade bone ornaments, skins, heads, whatever, if he really had to get freshly-butched by-other-people meat. There's gotta be meat around if this Hurst guy is getting it, after all.

Date: 2007-02-11 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hiyami.livejournal.com
Yup, that's the most mind-boggling thing if he's presented as the top-notch hunter.
Now I could understand if he had wanted to trade it for something he or his family can't produce, like metal, but meat?

Date: 2007-01-22 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shikomekidomi.livejournal.com
I have a theory. Eragon has no meat because the family spent all their money on the big house and heating costs! That's obviously more important than food.
Why does an expert hunter need to apprentice himself to a blacksmith, anyway? Don't people near forests employ hunters?
Is there a glut of hunters making it economically unfeasible to subsist on hunting alone, despite superiority to everyone else?
Hrm.. I suppose it's technically feasible that a very talented person who grew up in a dangerous region could survive its dangers more easily than an adult who had training but originated elsewhere... Except apparently it's not neccessary for people in the village to go into the Spine (see Sloan's reaction) so he would have been coddled there rather than forced to adapt to a harsh environment.
Look, not doing exactly what the main character wants, and caring more for family than weird guys who try to sell you magic rocks makes you obviously evil! Actually, our conversation on the last entry makes me wonder if Eragon's not the evil one.

Date: 2007-01-22 06:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kippurbird.livejournal.com
I think he is. He doesn't seem to have an redeeming qualities. I mean, Sloan has plenty of good reasons to to want the stone. I mean, to him it's just a giant rock, what's he going to do with a giant rock? And then it came from a Bad Place. Why should he keep it then? But he' s still evil because he doesn't like Eragon.

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